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South Fulton Fire Department – You Pay or We Don’t Play!

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Firefighters are the good guys, the guys that brave extreme danger to save lives and property. On anyones list of favored occupations firefighter comes out consistently in the top three.

Almost all little boys want to be a firefighter at some point in their childhood. Why? Because firefighters get to help people, are looked up to and drive cool trucks. Everyone speaks highly of firefighters and who wouldn’t want to be in that company for a living.

The boys of the South Fulton Fire Department in Obion County Tennessee must see firefighting a little differently. Read for yourself;

From WPSDlocal6.com.

“OBION COUNTY, Tenn. – Imagine your home catches fire but the local fire department won’t respond, then watches it burn. That’s exactly what happened to a local family tonight. A local neighborhood is furious after firefighters watched as an Obion County, Tennessee, home burned to the ground.

The homeowner, Gene Cranick, said he offered to pay whatever it would take for firefighters to put out the flames, but was told it was too late.  They wouldn’t do anything to stop his house from burning. Each year, Obion County residents must pay $75 if they want fire protection from the city of South Fulton.  But the Cranicks did not pay.

The mayor said if homeowners don’t pay, they’re out of luck.

This fire went on for hours because garden hoses just wouldn’t put it out. It wasn’t until that fire spread to a neighbor’s property, that anyone would respond. Turns out, the neighbor had paid the fee.

“I thought they’d come out and put it out, even if you hadn’t paid your $75, but I was wrong,” said Gene Cranick.”

Set aside the bureaucratic aspect, the billing issue for a minute, what about the first responders? What about their responsibility to the job? How could anyone in the fire service stand by and watch a family home, a multi-generational family home full of family history, photos, videos, heirlooms that would be in a family home, burn to the ground?

Shame on these guys. No heroes here. I understand the fire captain in charge had his orders but how hard would it have been for one or two of the responding volunteers to break ranks and do something? What is the downside, losing your volunteer spot with a department that stands by and watches family homes burn to the ground? No thanks, after this who would want to admit to being part of the South Fulton Fire Department anyway.

To the credit of the Cranick family they do not blame the firefighters, they blame the city administrators. Mr Cranick and his family are good and generous people. Bless them.

Here is my suggestion to the geniuses running Obion County and South Fulton Tennessee. Make the $75. fee mandatory. If someone does not pay make it known the fire service will respond and you will be billed for the services rendered. Minimum $500. per call and $500.00 per hour after the first hour.  Cranick might have been charged $1,500. but he would still have his home and contents.

I asked the finest, bravest  firefighter I’ve ever met what he thought of this situation. I got an earful. He told me this is the difference between professional firefighters vs rural volunteers. In his opinion he says, and I concur, no professional firefighter, nor the overwhelming majority of volunteer firefighters would sit back and watch a family home burn to the ground. You attack the fire and take the consequences, that’s what you do, it’s what you signed up to do.

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  • SomeGuy

    “Socialist bleeding-heart liberal Nanny-State morons like you”

    Ahhh, there it is. No more explanation necessary….

  • Mercury

    “When did personal responsibility become irrelevant in our society? ”

    Around the time some inhuman piece of shit said watching a families house burn to the ground and doing nothing but to scratch your ass was the “right” thing to do.

  • Anti_youthie

    Im a paramedic. if I come across an accident I wouldnt walk away from it because its out my jurisdiction, or im “Off Duty”. This is Bullshit. This doesn’t make you Conservative ideolgoists standing up for a a principle it makes you whores.

  • Decency

    They let four animals burn to death. What kind of responsibility does that show, asshole?

  • Andrew Lindaman

    sorry to break it to you but South Fultons fire department is voluntary not tax paid. Sooo that makes them scumbags just like you for not being decent enough to at least attempt to save the mans property. If it were your house would you feel the same way… I think not. Capatalism and money should not be a motivating factor when the well being of a family and animals are at risk. BTW its more expensive to house and feed the now homeless family than to just put out the fire at loss of the 75$ which he would have paid in full up front.

    And I’m sure he would have continued to pay the fee after the fact when he realizes how much he really needs the fire department. You and your Republican/make money ideology are the death of decency in America. If you believe in God then congratulations. You just bought yourself a nice long trip to Hell

  • Anonymous

    The discussion still rages and that is good. What it comes down to is an engine company watched as a family home burned to the ground. Common decency requires we come to the aid of our brothers and sisters in need. The homeowner was begging, there were pets inside.
    What is lost in this conversation is we all know the firefighters on the engine wanted to put water to the home, they have been silent but we all know they wanted to get into the mix.
    They were blocked from doing what they want to do most in this world, help people and fight fire.
    Those who blocked them are objects of scorn deservedly.

  • Oil7cao

    So the Fulton city fire dept is more like the mob than firefighters:

    “That’s a nice house you have, it would be a real shame if it were to catch on fire and we “could’nt” do anything because you did’nt pay up. Capische?”

    If you don’t want your house, belongings, pets, and possibly even your family to burn, you better pay the mob. I bet when they arrived to put out the field fire they even laughed at the poor guys house burning down:

    “Ha, tough shit about your house, belongings and pets buddy. You should have paid up, we don’t save lives and property for free y’know.”

  • jeki

    i always wonder what it means to be a patriotic in the united states. what is the value of loving your country if you cant even care about your neighbor? i mean if you only care about yourself, then why would u care about ur own country? if your fellow man is poor, u dont want to help him out rite? in fact, republicans wants the poor to just starve off and die.

  • jeki

    yeah maybe we should just take ‘common decency’ out of humans and we’ll have fully functioning, law-abiding robots roaming this country. this is what makes me glad not to be an american; i dont have to deal with mindless drones thats sight only goes as far as what he is legally obliged to do.

    heres a suggestion; no body is legally required to go out of their houses and eat, so why not just lock urself up and starve to death

  • 20-yearProFirefighter

    Please feel free to identify yourself, Mr. Hateful. I’ll pass the word on to my brother firefighters in your area and let them know you no longer require their services. Or maybe you can move to Obion County and complain about the lack of fire protection. There, you can feel free to refuse payment for fire protection and castigate South Fulton FD all you like. I’m sure you won’t be alone. You might even get your own Keith Olberman interview!

    Maybe you’re not aware of all your rights. You obviously have the right to spout off with virtriol and vituperation, thanks to the First Amendment. Now please show me the amendment that states you have the right to fire protection. Or police protection. Or medical care. You won’t find it becuase all those things are privileges, not rights.

    The South Fulton subscription program has been in place for 20 years. Mr. Cranick should not have been so surprised that his home was allowed to burn… it happened to another county resident in 2008 as well! This is not a new thing.

    You speak of honor. I am honored to call the members of the South Fulton FD my brothers. I don’t feel my honor as a 20-year veteran firefighter has been lowered by their actions. Instead, I respect them for doing what was right, rather than what others thought was right. Mr. Cranick has the right to be angry at someone for the loss of his home, but the person who deserves the blame is the man he sees in the mirror when he is shaving.

    When did personal responsibility become irrelevant in our society?

  • 20-yearProFirefighter

    Well, Jeninifer, I sugget you throw on an air pack and grab a line. You can armchair quarterback this all you like. Freedom of speech is your right. Fire protection isn’t. Until you step into our shoes and do the job we do, I suggest you crawl back under the porch and keep yapping at passers-by. I’m sure someone will come along and scratch your ears eventually.

    Know whereof you speak before you criticize.

  • 20-yearProFirefighter

    Louise,

    Thank you for your post, and thank you to your husband for his service to his community.

    Having gotten the pleasantries out of the way, I suggest you put emotion aside and look at the facts of the case at hand. As a volunteer firefighter, your husband would probably be able to tell you about some of the costs involved in maintaining and operating even a small department. Besides maintenance on the vehicles, fuel costs, insurance for vehicles and responders, training, equipment, gear, hose, airpacks, station maintenance, electricity/utility bills, and miscellaneous expenses, there is also the cost in manpower and man hours involved in making multiple responses. I’ve been through both Fulton, KY and South Fulton, TN numerous times, and know the type of communities they are. Small towns, surrounded by vast rural areas in heavily-forested, hilly terrain. Look on the map, and you’ll see South Fulton located at the SW end of the Kentucky parkway system of highways. The town only covers about 3 sq. miles of land, and has a population of only about 2,500 people.

    Are you seriously suggesting that the 2,500 residents and taxpayers of South Fulton pay for fire protection for the entirety of Olbion County out of their own pockets? In essence, that is exactly what you are suggesting. Mr. Cranick lost his home. That is a tragedy. He has, however, only himself to blame. He did not pay his subscription fee, so he did not receive service. His neighbor paid the fee, and he received fire protection. It really is that simple. The only direction fingers need to point are at the homeowner and his cavalier attitude. “It won’t ever happen to me” came back to bite him in the keister.

    There are a couple more things to consider. One is this: What is a firefighter’s ultimate responsibility? We’re taught from day one that our priorities are life safety first, incident stabilization second, and property conservation third. There was no life hazard, so the first did not apply. The incident was contained to Mr. Cranick’s property and was prevented from spreading to the neighbor’s property, so the second obligation was met. This left only the third, property conservation. Firefighting is an inherently dangerous job, placing the firefighter at risk every time we make entry. In order to save Mr. Cranick’s home, the firefighters would have placed themselves at risk in order to save the property of an individual who offered them no support, no respect, and frankly no reason to try. “Risk a little to save a little, risk a lot to save a lot” is the new mantra in the fire service. I stand by and fully support the firefighters’ actions – or lack thereof – because the risk to the firefighters’ lives was not worth the property they would have been trying to save.

    The other thing to consider is your assignment of blame to the firefighters of South Fulton. You call them “coward”, “cold-hearted”, “sadistic”, and other statements that were no doubt spoken in passion without regard for the facts of the case. Despite what you think, standing by and watching that house burn to the ground was probably the bravest thing each of those firefighters will ever be asked to do. Any jackass can operate by knee-jerk reaction and jump into a situation without regard for consequences. How much more courage must it take to do what is right, rather than to do what you want to do.

    I will also go so far as to say this: Property can be replaced and houses can be rebuilt, but a human life is irreplaceable. If there had been even a chance that a human’s life was in danger in Mr. Cranick’s house, nothing on God’s green earth would have kept those brave firefighters from doing everything they could to save them, rules me damned.

    A hero does what is right, not necesarily what other people think is right. I think the decent, brave, honorable firefighters of South Fulton, TN would agree with me.

  • 20-yearProFirefighter

    Leon,

    You talk a good game. I suggest you move to Olbion County and lobby for fire protection for yourself and your fellow county residents. In the meantime, you can either go without fire protection, or subscribe to South Fulton’s fire protective services. Your choice.

    Alternately, you can exercise your own moral obligation to your fellow man and send large sums of money to Olbion County to pay for their residents’ fire protection. I’m sure the county residents would be grateful, and you would then have the moral ground to stand upon when criticizing those of us that understand reality.

    Socialist bleeding-heart liberal Nanny-State morons like you, “Janine” and “agco51″ are the reason this country is in the shape it’s in today.

  • 20-yearProFirefighter

    Lots of passion in some of these posts. It’s nice to see that the American Nanny State and its all-too-vocal proponents are out in force on an issue that should not be an issue at all!

    Important facts to keep in mind:

    Fact: The Cranick house is in Obin County.
    Fact: Obin County does not offer its residents fire protection.
    Fact: Near-by South Fulton offers fire protection services to it’s tax-paying residents.
    Fact: Near-by South Fulton offers fire protection services to Obin County residents that pay a $75 fee.
    Fact: Near-by South Fulton sends out a mailer each June offering 12 months of fire protection for $75 to Obin County residents.
    Fact: Near-by South Fulton calls each Obin County resident that declined the fire protection coverage.
    Fact: This service has been offered for the last 20 years (since 1990).
    Fact: In July, 2008 an Obin County resident lost their house to fire after declining fire services from Near-by South Fulton. (See FixFulton.org/arc/5)
    Fact: The Fire Company in South Fulton is responsible to respond to fires where the property owners support the Fire Company, either through their property tax payments or the annual $75 fee.
    Fact: The South Fulton Fire Company is barred from rendering services to anyone that choose not to participate in the program.

    The South Fulton Fire Department is under no legal obligation to provide fire protection to anyone outside their tax district. They provide fee-based fire protective services as a courtesy to county residents who would otherwise have nothing. For those of you that want to preach about “moral obligations”, I suggest you exercise your own moral obligation to your fellow man and send generous charitable donations to Olbion County, TN. If enough of us do that, we can pay for their fire protection for them. Dig deep, and give until it hurts. (Isn’t that what you’re asking South Fulton residents to do?)

    Question for the Nanny-State, bleeding-heart, moral-majority, Big-Brother-worshiping liberal leftist socialists that have let their emotions run away with them on this issue and posted all the holier-than-thou garbage below: If you refused to buy auto insurance, and you were involved in an accident, would you expect an insurance company to pay your bill anyway? Even if you offered to pay your premium after the fact?

    I think not.

  • Swinger

    Common sense would dictate that you don’t get services you don’t pay for.
    They’ll get insurance money to replace the items.

    Letting the house burn down was the decent thing to do in the bigger scheme of things. It will secure protection of this communities properties for years to come in one form or another.

    To call it a sin is narrow minded, I’m sure if there were lives in danger then they would have taken action. Letting people die is absurd letting a house burn is not. Especially when they will get insurance money to cover the losses.

    Get some perspective, don’t be that media puppet.

  • Leon

    …and unto God the things that are God’s.”

  • Leon

    And you have no idea how a decent human being acts.

    I do see your point. It is unfair to enjoy benefits such as health and protection without contributing. Those $75 and other taxes go to resources needed by the FD and others; resources that are used to put out fires, tend to the sick, halt crime, etc. It would certainly anger me to see a freeloader living well thanks to my contributions.

    Abiding to the rules is important, but there is also DECENCY AND COMMON SENSE! Letting people lose all their possesions is not common sense. It’s an absudity! More than that, it’s a sin.

    Rules are a guide to our conduct, not a replacement to rational thought. To allow a bit of ink of paper do the thinking for you, that’s commiting the sin of sloth.

  • Whateveryousay

    Actually, in a literal sense, firefighters do save hearts…they often respond to 911 calls that are non-fire related, and they are trained in CPR and other life-saving techniques.

    In a metaphorical sense, I suppose they save hearts by providing assistance and hope when everything seems lost.

  • Guest

    Resqman
    This was somebodys home, how can you be so heartless? I am truly glad that I don’t live in the USA where your fire departments can just sit by and watch as somebody loses their home and then have somebody like you make comments that you dont care that he lost his home or his pets. He offered to pay the fee on the spot, the fire chief should have taken the money and put out the fire. Have a heart and help your neighbors. The USA is in for a harsh wake up call when you wake up one day and country is just like Russia. Sorry for the misspelling, English is not my first language.

  • PsychologyAndAccounting

    And you believe that he “forgot”, and you believe that he would not continue to “forget”, after his fire has been put out? Okay. I respectfully disagree.

    That is not a wealthy area of the country. If it appears to the residents of that area that they do not actually have to pay for fire protection service, but can still rely on South Fulton’s Fire Department to put out any fires, why on earth would they continue to pay? Do you pay for free things? I don’t, unless I’m in the mood to make a charitable donation. And as Resq3man has pointed out several times, Obion County has repeatedly voted that they do not want to pay a tax to support a Fire Department of their own.

    So now, the South Fulton residents should be taxed for fire protection service — which, I should add, I believe is worth every penny we pay for it and much more, Firefighters are amazing human beings, heroes, THE best — but their neighbors should get the same service, but not pay for it in any way. That’s fair, how?

    Now the Fire Department is going to be in trouble. The Firefighters may be willing to do all this amazing, terrifying, heroic work without asking for payment, but the people who maintain the facilities, replace and repair equipment… will they all do it for free? I doubt it. Who’s going to pay for new gear when it’s needed? How are they going to pay to fix the trucks when they’re broken down? The Firefighters’ lives are TOO important to risk with substandard equipment, and that takes money.

    It’s heartbreaking that this lesson had to be learned this way, but if those people want to “forget” to pay their bill for fire protection service after FOUR notices, they are ultimately risking the lives of Firefighters, who are irreplaceable, priceless, honored members of society, and that can’t be permitted.

  • Anonymous

    Well said Kate. Thanks for the comment.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, Mike. Lots of emotion here over this story. And, as always, more than two sides to it. I don’t know what the rules and regs were for this fire department, and whether they were “forbidden” to help, as one poster alluded, but I must say, that all the firefighters I have ever known, if required, for whatever reason, to stand by and watch this home burn to the ground would have been standing there with tears in their eyes. Firefighters by their very nature are heroes, and to act contrary to that is to act contrary to their nature. As a dog person, the unnecessary loss of life of the fur kids is more distressing to me than the loss of the home. I am glad you brought this up for the public debate, Mike, and glad to see how spirited it was. Blessings to the homeowners and to the firefighters who acted contrary to their nature.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ZL7KZQFY2Z33IA5T6USGVHZF3A Jennifer Gale

    9-11 involves heroes. South Fulton FD does not.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ZL7KZQFY2Z33IA5T6USGVHZF3A Jennifer Gale

    All I’m going to say is the firefighters in New York were heroes. South Fulton’s ‘firefighters’ aren’t cut from the same cloth.

  • Limey-8

    The firefighters and chief should be charged with animal cruelty, they were complicit in willingly allowing defenseless animals (4) to be literally tortured and burned to death for spiteful reasons, life is full of karma – i wouldn’t piss on these scumbags if they were on fire thankfully in the UK we have proper fire dept’s not a bunch of toothless hicks that will stand by and watch someones world go up in smoke, imagine if they were the first responders on 911 asking all the workers for $75 bucks to help them down the stairwells – Shameful – they don’t deserve the badge they are as much firemen as they were in the movie Fahrenheit 451….

  • Stephen382

    Mr. Cranick stated he forgot to pay the bill. The fire department could have sent them a bill after fighting the fire and placed a lien on the property until the bill is paid. But, unfortunately, you guys are so bureaucratic in your thinking that you forgot what it means to be a good neighbor. I think the citizens outside the city limits in Obion County should contract with Fulton’s fire department to provide fire protection since South Fulton’s “fire department” can not be truly a real fire department. You all appear to be just a bunch of bureaucratic wannabee firemen. Sorry, Resq3man, you can argue all you want, but we all know this whole thing was bungled badly by the “fire department.”

  • Stephen382

    I noticed that Resq3man has not yet responded to your post. In his heart, he knows you are right, but can’t admit it. I agree with your assessment of the 911 tape revealing the fire officer in charge’s true nature. Members of the county, you should consider contracting with Fulton, KY’s fire department to assist in any fire in your county, regardless of the fact you are in Tennessee. They’d be more reliable and trustworthy than the South Fulton’s “fire department.” This can be done by cross-certification with the State of Tennessee’s legal requirement to be a certified firefighter.

  • Resq3man

    Speculative and unsupportable. We’re talking about an incident where no human life was at risk in the actual incident. You are discussing something completely different.

    Please tell me exactly how you’re going to “fire” an elected mayor?
    Please tell me exactly how you’re going to fire the fire chief who did exactly what his city council, mayor, and city manager’s policies directed?

    Please tell me exactly what criminal charges might be filed when the fire department did exactly what local laws directed them to do – provide fire protection to everyone inside their city limits but to provide fire protection only to subscribers in the unincorporated county areas where the fire actually occurred.

  • Resq3man

    Can you imagine how bad 9//11 would have been if 15 million Martians had attacked the U.S. with death rays shooting out of their green foreheads?

    Neither happened – both are speculative, and one is as likely as the other.

  • Resq3man

    acgco,

    So the standard for right and wrong in the world is now based upon whether or not YOU have previously heard of it? Give me a break.

    So, you would be ashamed to be a part of that community? You mean the community that refuses to fund a fire department in the county, or the community in the city of 2,500 people that can’t afford to subsidize fire protection for the 30,000-;plus people who live in the county.

    You are basing a complaint about morality and standards on inaccurate and incomplete information. That doesn’t exactly recommend your value judgements as accurate.

  • Resq3man

    Janine,

    Why should the fire department value a person’s home more than the person who owns it?

    “Nice” doesn’t have anything to do with it. The South Fulton FD being able to continue to provide service to their city and to their county subscribers has everything to do with it.

    Look up “no such thing as a free lunch” with a Google search. You might be surprised – and educated – at what you find.

  • janine

    Wow this makes me sick!! How anyone could stand back and let someones home burn down especially firefighters I cant understand! I always thought that everyone was nice and carring in the south I guess I was wrong!! A $75 fee for the fire department is horrible. Send me a bill after but to listen to her animals suffer as they burned to death is heartless